Full Termi system

[Aussie1098s]

2. Frasers want one hours labour $121.00 + GST = $133.10 to reset TPS and adjust Idle fuel trim/mix.

Fairings will be off, bike warmed up for trim adjustment. Even with me offering to buy 5 oil filters at same time.

I would like for someone the argue that this is not overcharging and that it does take an hour?

:humpleg

[ducmon]

If that's their hourly rate then that's their rate. Take it elsewhere if you don't want to pay that much. Our rate is $105 an hour inc gst. An hour for tps reset, adjusting fuel and testride of motorcycle seems about right. Remember different rates apply in different areas, each company has different expenditures.

[Aussie1098s]

Mate, I've been a motor mechanic since 1984, Mitsu Sigma's and Nissan Bluebirds where new then.

Data scanners, live data, stored data, extracting and clearing fault codes take me 5 mins either Snap on, Karman or Bosch equipment / systems!

Reset TPS 2mins, Adjust fuel trim 5 mins (like I said warmed engine with all access)

I guess that leaves 48 min test ride, Bull Shit.

I have ordered a
http://www.technoresearch.com/Products/VDSTS-Motorbike/VDSTS-Motorbike

$195.00 USD plus postage.

Then with a bit of practice I'll get it down to 1min and 3mins respectively.

[ducmon]

I'm not overly fussed about your 'quals' dude. The internet is wonderful place full of self delusion without the need to back things up.
If you want to work on it yourself go right ahead, you blow it up don't expect warranty simple. It ain't rocket science, but it sure as shit ain't a sigma either.

[Aussie1098s]

I'm not overly fussed about your 'quals' dude. The internet is wonderful place full of self delusion without the need to back things up.
If you want to work on it yourself go right ahead, you blow it up don't expect warranty simple. It ain't rocket science, but it sure as shit ain't a sigma either.

How long did it take for you to discover it ain't a sigma?

You should also know all about "OBDII" and "CAN BUS" systems. I'll PM you for advice when I get in a bind at work, hope you don't mind?

If you're not overly fussed, why are you continuing to reply? You should stick to the "HOW to" forum!

"Blow it up", you don't know much about scan tools do you?

Tell you what I'll give you a lesson, first one's free. Hows that.

[ducmon]

Perhaps you should have stuck to ya sigmas and bluebirds, you obviously have a problem paying for things ( champagne taste on a beer budget comes to mind). I won't go into my quals because it's pointless, I meant for all work on your bike, not just diagnostics. It seems to me you probably need an all purpose bitching thread. $135 is not alot of money and if it is to you perhaps you made a wrong purchase choice.

[Aussie1098s]

Mate, just did a search on all of your posts, seems you do a lot of defending of everything Frasers. Don't tell me old Normie boy has something on you? Are you doing him special favours? Go on fess up.
Just face it more and more Ducati owners are buying less and less thru NFI, FACT. The ease to buy from OS, and the real, REAL service that you get from OS is embarrassing.
I hope and trust you'll do a poll and prove me wrong, Ha.
You just keep on posting in defence of Norm Fraser, I'll just keep spending my money overseas.
Today, got PM'ed on how to buy OS, local Syd fella, Mate post here if you wish (you know who you are), it's snow balling.

You must be cut, you keep replying.

Waiting for you next load of bull shit, ha ha ha
Bring it on!

[ducmon]

Do what you gotta dude, it ain't hurting me. Seems to me you need to loosen up ya panties a bit and then maybe you'll enjoy life. All you do is bitch and moan how expensive things are, I've said to people before if you are unhappy with the service go elsewhere, stop bitchin' and grow the fuck up.

[ozducati]

Perhaps you should have stuck to ya sigmas and bluebirds, you obviously have a problem paying for things ( champagne taste on a beer budget comes to mind). I won't go into my quals because it's pointless, I meant for all work on your bike, not just diagnostics. It seems to me you probably need an all purpose bitching thread. $135 is not alot of money and if it is to you perhaps you made a wrong purchase choice.

Ducmon, here you go again trashing people who decide to go outside the dealerships, you need to understand it is a free world, and most of us do deal with dealers/ducati service along the way as well, and probably have a reasonable relationship with our Ducati techs/ & or dealers.. but you cannot deny people the right to trade as they please in a free world, and make their own choices...

Fpr example, I for one do not like Termi exhausts, they are finished badly, designed almost purely for racing and not for use on the street... I have Zard exhausts on both my bikes, and the 749s before, the finish is top quality, they are designed by the ex head of Termi race development, and designed for the street with track in mind...
My tech is always behind my decisions and most happy to help with any issues i have (rarely), and for the 1098 I bought a DP ECU from the US for $899 USD... is the same as the one i could have bought here, but less than half the price...

I understand about overheads etc etc etc, but how can anyone not make that choice?? even my tech said "great buy", and yes he charged me to reset the TPS & balance the throttle bodies, set the mixture etc, but i don't mind because he is happy to do it for me... & i tell everyone about him... and you would have everyone beleive that everything has to be bought & done through the dealership, otherwise "don't expect support" ...give it up for our sake, you should be happy that people like us love our Ducati's, and if we want to save a few bucks along the way (which is usually spent on more Ducatin stuff) then it is our choice!

[Aussie1098s]

I'ts about time you got up off you're knees and pulled you're pants up and accepted the facts, you need to stop arguing with any dealership sledging.
Next time you defend dealerships, remember you are a in minority in this country and someone will once again assume your taking cock again!

[Aussie1098s]

Well said Ozducati

[Aussie1098s]

Just got a email about a mate who went down on the Oxley Hwy

I'll read pokemon's reply essay tomorrow

I need to make some calls now.

[ducmon]

Ducmon, here you go again trashing people who decide to go outside the dealerships, you need to understand it is a free world, and most of us do deal with dealers/ducati service along the way as well, and probably have a reasonable relationship with our Ducati techs/ & or dealers.. but you cannot deny people the right to trade as they please in a free world, and make their own choices...

Fpr example, I for one do not like Termi exhausts, they are finished badly, designed almost purely for racing and not for use on the street... I have Zard exhausts on both my bikes, and the 749s before, the finish is top quality, they are designed by the ex head of Termi race development, and designed for the street with track in mind...
My tech is always behind my decisions and most happy to help with any issues i have (rarely), and for the 1098 I bought a DP ECU from the US for $899 USD... is the same as the one i could have bought here, but less than half the price...

I understand about overheads etc etc etc, but how can anyone not make that choice?? even my tech said "great buy", and yes he charged me to reset the TPS & balance the throttle bodies, set the mixture etc, but i don't mind because he is happy to do it for me... & i tell everyone about him... and you would have everyone beleive that everything has to be bought & done through the dealership, otherwise "don't expect support" ...give it up for our sake, you should be happy that people like us love our Ducati's, and if we want to save a few bucks along the way (which is usually spent on more Ducatin stuff) then it is our choice!

I didn't rag on him about going overseas ( I've bought stuff from Motowheels and others as well), I ragged on him for complaining about spending a lousy $135. READ THE POST.

[ducmon]

Through all my my years in the military and motorcycle industry I have never come across a woman (let alone a man) who whinges and bitches about nothing as much as you guys do. Buy your stuff overseas, I have and will continue to as well, but for f%$ks sake stop smoking each other. Don't be so selective when reading posts, read them all and not just the ones that make you happy.

[Aussie1098s]

:yahoo:lol

[ozducati]

Through all my my years in the military and motorcycle industry I have never come across a woman (let alone a man) who whinges and bitches about nothing as much as you guys do. Buy your stuff overseas, I have and will continue to as well, but for f%$ks sake stop smoking each other. Don't be so selective when reading posts, read them all and not just the ones that make you happy.

In all my years of motorcycling i have never met such a brown nosed snivelling little suck who continually wades into a discussion that has nothing to do with him while trying to defend the "Mighty" name of dealers who mostly deserve the flack they cop... give it up and we will stop trashing you as well... this is a forum, people post ALL the time about the same thing that Aussie1098s did, dealers sticking it to us... get a life

[wilkson]

In all my years of motorcycling i have never met such a brown nosed snivelling little suck who continually wades into a discussion that has nothing to do with him while trying to defend the "Mighty" name of dealers who mostly deserve the flack they cop... give it up and we will stop trashing you as well... this is a forum, people post ALL the time about the same thing that Aussie1098s did, dealers sticking it to us... get a life



Well said I totally agree,Thank god for forums like this where Ducati owners can compare imformation and save $$$$ at the same time.

I would agree with the original post that $135 is excessive for one hours labour and further more Ducman if you represented my company like you represent Frasers you wouldn't have a job your input has done nothing but damage their reputation IMO.

[Mr1098]

Exactly !!!
Ducmon aka 'ductosspot', seems as though you always have to add your 2 cents of babbling bull$hit to everyone's post.

It's a forum/supporting community d*ckhead. not a battleground! Perhaps you need your own lounge somewhere in this forum where you can argue with yourself to your hearts content.

In all my years of motorcycling i have never met such a brown nosed snivelling little suck who continually wades into a discussion that has nothing to do with him while trying to defend the "Mighty" name of dealers who mostly deserve the flack they cop... give it up and we will stop trashing you as well... this is a forum, people post ALL the time about the same thing that Aussie1098s did, dealers sticking it to us... get a life

[Mr1098]

why arn't you supporting your dealer by buying only from them??



I didn't rag on him about going overseas ( I've bought stuff from Motowheels and others as well), I ragged on him for complaining about spending a lousy $135. READ THE POST.

[ducatihead02]

:pop

[ducmon]

Thank god the whole forum isn't retarded like you guys, it's a public forum. I buy stuff from these guys as well because I can't get what I need here. Yes there are crap dealers out there ( just as there are crap customers). I didn't realise this topic was for haters only otherwise I would have treated it with the respect it deserved. Harden the fuck up guys the world dosen't owe you jack shit because you have an expensive toy. Thats all, enjoy your bitching.

[ozducati]

Harden the fuck up guys the world dosen't owe you jack shit because you have an expensive toy. Thats all, enjoy your bitching.

Seems to be your favourite saying, why not come out & tell us all which dealership you work at so we can make sure we all avoid it & you ???? your attitude is typical of most of the dickhead sales people i have met in ducati dealerships here..

[pnork]

IBTL.


This thread is going well...

[ozducati]

IBTL ? feel free to join in pnork..

[pnork]

No no... that's ok... you guys are all doing a good enough job of jumping all over each other as it is... I'll just sit back and :pop

[markthebike]

Loving this....it's great! :pop :pop :pop

C'mon guys. more! more!

[Aussie1098s]

Seems to be your favourite saying, why not come out & tell us all which dealership you work at so we can make sure we all avoid it & you ???? your attitude is typical of most of the dickhead sales people i have met in ducati dealerships here..

The underling issue here is the attitude of most Aust Ducati dealerships. Arrogance and the false sense of being exclusive, "don't ring us we'll ring you" type of bullshit.
This is the only sad part of my purchase, from the time of first contact, to the point I rode away ( four days was all I waited).
For approx. last 15 years I've only bought new, cars and bikes, in all experiences I walked away feeling the deals where balanced and both parties satisfied. But Ducati purchase was totally a one sided affair, walking away and feeling like I applied for or put in a tender for, the purchase of said bike, hoping I get accepted and chosen, how will the "tribe" vote?
This will live with me forever! And now seems I am NOT alone.

Hey "Pokemon" I've been told that about now you should be getting over the pain and getting used to the taste of it.
:haha

Get the message!
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[DAVA848]

FWIW,
While I too buy most of my stuff online (and not just bike stuff either), I'm a customer at Ducmon's dealership and have had many pleasant experiences there.... They go out of their way to help...

[wilkson]

FWIW,
While I too buy most of my stuff online (and not just bike stuff either), I'm a customer at Ducmon's dealership and have had many pleasant experiences there.... They go out of their way to help...



From what I see there dosn't seem anything wrong with the dealership it's the way he represents them I'm sure he dosn't own it .

[pnork]

And well, so it's my turn to give my 2c...
I know some of you may think he comes across a little heavy handed at times, but I've dealt with Ducmon many times in the past at the dealership & I must say he's gone out of his way to help whenever possible. Don't be so quick to judge, as what you see here is only the internet persona and I must say that when dealing with him, he goes above and beyond.

[DAVA848]

And well, so it's my turn to give my 2c...
I know some of you may think he comes across a little heavy handed at times, but I've dealt with Ducmon many times in the past at the dealership & I must say he's gone out of his way to help whenever possible. Don't be so quick to judge, as what you see here is only the internet persona and I must say that when dealing with him, he goes above and beyond.

+1

[HAMRN]

[quote=Aussie1098s;137492]The underling issue here is the attitude of most Aust Ducati dealerships. Arrogance and the false sense of being exclusive, "don't ring us we'll ring you" type of bullshit.
This is the only sad part of my purchase, from the time of first contact, to the point I rode away ( four days was all I waited).
For approx. last 15 years I've only bought new, cars and bikes, in all experiences I walked away feeling the deals where balanced and both parties satisfied. But Ducati purchase was totally a one sided affair, walking away and feeling like I applied for or put in a tender for, the purchase of said bike, hoping I get accepted and chosen, how will the "tribe" vote?
This will live with me forever! And now seems I am NOT alone.quote]

While I agree with you in regards to the "attitude" of some dealers I have to say that, IMO, they ARE exclusive... it's not like Honda or Suzuki etc, where there's a dealership in every second town. If you want a Ducati, you go to them. They have a back order on the bikes anyway so, really, why would they chase buisness...

When I or my girlfriend have bought new bikes of other makes I have felt as if the dealer was kissing my arse to get my money. When buying the 1098 there was still the pleasant, helpful "can we help you?" sales stuff, and I found the dealer very easy to talk to and I got a deal that I was very happy with. There was a little bit of that attitude you mentioned (mainly in regards to the supply of the bike) and, in a way, because of that I felt almost priveliged to be a Ducati owner... for me anyway, it added to the "exclusive-ness" of Ducati ownership...

I think it adds to the feeling that we have bought something special and we should (in some ways) be thankful for it....

[Aussie1098s]

OK, stand corrected, the only issues I had was with one dealer, I do admit the stress from that one dealer got my blood boiling.

SO, in the past few days, contacting other people I know with Ducs' etc, I'd made contact with another two dealers (not one of the big four), in fact both where recommended to me. One did not offer any great help, but North Coast V Twins, let me just say I'd be happy to take my bike there, Wayne understood, and said how stories like mine helped his business. He has never met me and was already making offers of help in many ways.
I look forward to spending money at North Coast V Twins.

Exclusive, was once, now sales are huge sales figures show this, go to any EC weekend track day, 30% of the bikes are Ducs. You see the odd exclusive MV or Aprilla, and when the big red truck is there you can up the numbers to pushing 40% on the day. Wall to wall 1098's.
Members to NSW DOC exceed 430, plus other NSW clubs, pull up at Gingers Creek on a SAT or SUN lunch, you'll see less and less R1s, CBR and GSXR, nearly no ZX. More are now buying European.
Finally privileged is to own a Desmosedic RR or at least 1098R.
I'd rather own a 1098s than a new Commodore with a few options ( or any other similar priced Mum and Dad car within the same value), thats the maths of it.

Don't get me wrong, Yes it is the best, by far the best bike i've owned in 22 years of ownerships. But I hope my next bike will be better, prefer Duc, that is looking forward as I like to think I always do.

In hindsight I should have spoken to the other dealers prior to purchase, as well all know it's not just about handing over the money and riding away.




[quote=Aussie1098s;137492]The underling issue here is the attitude of most Aust Ducati dealerships. Arrogance and the false sense of being exclusive, "don't ring us we'll ring you" type of bullshit.
This is the only sad part of my purchase, from the time of first contact, to the point I rode away ( four days was all I waited).
For approx. last 15 years I've only bought new, cars and bikes, in all experiences I walked away feeling the deals where balanced and both parties satisfied. But Ducati purchase was totally a one sided affair, walking away and feeling like I applied for or put in a tender for, the purchase of said bike, hoping I get accepted and chosen, how will the "tribe" vote?
This will live with me forever! And now seems I am NOT alone.quote]

While I agree with you in regards to the "attitude" of some dealers I have to say that, IMO, they ARE exclusive... it's not like Honda or Suzuki etc, where there's a dealership in every second town. If you want a Ducati, you go to them. They have a back order on the bikes anyway so, really, why would they chase buisness...

When I or my girlfriend have bought new bikes of other makes I have felt as if the dealer was kissing my arse to get my money. When buying the 1098 there was still the pleasant, helpful "can we help you?" sales stuff, and I found the dealer very easy to talk to and I got a deal that I was very happy with. There was a little bit of that attitude you mentioned (mainly in regards to the supply of the bike) and, in a way, because of that I felt almost priveliged to be a Ducati owner... for me anyway, it added to the "exclusive-ness" of Ducati ownership...

I think it adds to the feeling that we have bought something special and we should (in some ways) be thankful for it....

[HAMRN]

[quote=Aussie1098s

Exclusive, was once, now sales are huge sales figures show this, go to any EC weekend track day, 30% of the bikes are Ducs. You see the odd exclusive MV or Aprilla, and when the big red truck is there you can up the numbers to pushing 40% on the day. Wall to wall 1098's.
Members to NSW DOC exceed 430, plus other NSW clubs, pull up at Gingers Creek on a SAT or SUN lunch, you'll see less and less R1s, CBR and GSXR, nearly no ZX. More are now buying European.
Finally privileged is to own a Desmosedic RR or at least 1098R.
I'd rather own a 1098s than a new Commodore with a few options ( or any other similar priced Mum and Dad car within the same value), thats the maths of it.

Don't get me wrong, Yes it is the best, by far the best bike i've owned in 22 years of ownerships. But I hope my next bike will be better, prefer Duc, that is looking forward as I like to think I always do.

In hindsight I should have spoken to the other dealers prior to purchase, as well all know it's not just about handing over the money and riding away. quote]





I'm afraid I might still be a bit naive about some things... living in the country I still have a strong feeling of exclusivity. The only other 1098 I have seen in town is when all the bikes come through on their way to the Island for the G.P. I live in a country "city" of about 28,000 people and I only know of a handful of Ducatis, no other 1098 though... there's a couple of MVs getting around, the odd Aprillia, but mainly wall to wall 600cc whale-killing rice-burners here....

+100 on buying a Ducati over ANY car of the same value!!! My car is a 96 VS Commodore wagon... owes me 4 grand.

[Sumfun4me]

And well, so it's my turn to give my 2c...
I know some of you may think he comes across a little heavy handed at times, but I've dealt with Ducmon many times in the past at the dealership & I must say he's gone out of his way to help whenever possible. Don't be so quick to judge, as what you see here is only the internet persona and I must say that when dealing with him, he goes above and beyond.

another +1. I've said it before on this forum - this is my 18th new road bike in 25 years. I've owned all the jappas, Triumph, HD & Ducati. This had generally left me with a bad taste in my mouth when it came to dealing with dealers, but I can honestly say that I have nothing but praise for Ducmon & NF Perth. Just don't be so quick to paint all dealers with the same brush.
In regard to the slagging off of anyone in this forum, I find it very dissapointing. One of the main reasons I enjoy this place is because of the fact that most people act like grown ups. I'd suggest you give it a shot. If you cant - may i suggest one of the other forums where all the other kids hang out?

Keep up the good work Ducmon.

[ozducati]

I just need to say this...

I have no qualms with you guys from WA, and if Ducmon gives you great service then fine, but when he comes on here with the attitude he has, he makes himself a fair target for what he gets in return, and you need to read some of his posts as well, he is just as good at slagging off as everyone else.

Enough said, am over it...

[Aussie1098s]

I just need to say this...

I have no qualms with you guys from WA, and if Ducmon gives you great service then fine, but when he comes on here with the attitude he has, he makes himself a fair target for what he gets in return, and you need to read some of his posts as well, he is just as good at slagging off as everyone else.

Enough said, am over it...

+1

[Mr1098]

I just need to say this...

I have no qualms with you guys from WA, and if Ducmon gives you great service then fine, but when he comes on here with the attitude he has, he makes himself a fair target for what he gets in return, and you need to read some of his posts as well, he is just as good at slagging off as everyone else.

Enough said, am over it...

++1

[valheru70]

I know of a guy who went to the biggest dealership in WA to buy a 1098R (he hit it big with FMG shares) and because he was in a shirt and thongs and not in an Armani suit he got ignored for an hour so he went to Bunbury and ordered it there.
I have heard this happens a lot.

V

[pnork]

and not in an Armani suit he got ignored for an hour
No shit, really? They said they wouldn't serve him because he wasn't wearing Armani?
I think someone might be telling porkies....

I have heard this happens a lot.
V
People not getting served because they're not wearing business suits? I think you might be talking out of your pooper.

[Sumfun4me]

I struggle to believe this as well. Seeing as WA is going through such a big mining boom, I'd be pretty sure that not too many salesmen would be stupid enough to judge a book by its cover. I know that I've had to wait for up to a half hour to talk to a sales rep - but thats always been because they were busy. You know what its like - when talking to a salesman you dont want them looking for the next customer, you want to feel like they have just devoted the rest of their life to serving you personally, so its often hard for them to free themselves up some times - IMO anyway.

[pnork]

Me thinks the guy that posted this is merely a troll, looking to get this thread heated up again and his whole post is something that could be best described as fictional.

Go away Troll!!

[ozducati]

how about an intro Valheru70? where u from? what u ride ? being a new member, there are plenty of Aussies here... i thought this post was dead for god's sake..

[markthebike]

Not dead. I'm still watching.........:pop

[ozducati]

fence sitter...:poke

[DAVA848]

doesn't everyone turn up to a bike dealership in their civvies? Or worse still, their riding gear? Can tell much about afluence in that shit.

I never had a problem getting served and i certainly dont wear armani suits.

[Mr1098]

haha.. this thread is still going...

[valheru70]

Me thinks the guy that posted this is merely a troll, looking to get this thread heated up again and his whole post is something that could be best described as fictional.

Go away Troll!!
:rules

The only thing that got heated up is you champ,I just thought it related to the thread no big deal to me, I have nothing against any dealer, just thought it was interesting is all.

[pnork]

:) Hey, you're FUNNY!!!

[Aussie1098s]

Hey looks like the first amber light on the top of the dash has just come on!

[pnork]

The warning light?

[Aussie1098s]

The first of the shift lights

[pnork]

Ah - Ok, I'm with you now.

[kel999]

Try to make an appointment with the sales guy's if you want attention?Some of these guys are delivering two or three bikes a day?I find it hard to believe anyone would be unattended for 1/2 hr in a retail bike store...surely you would make your presence felt by asking for assistance or do you just stand around looking angry because no one has swooned at your feet,then the best line you can come out with is.....Just looking mate??....no shit batman?.......doh!!

[ozducati]

I spoke to a guy yesterday who told me went to Frasers Homebush last week with his wife, and they couldn't get served, were there for half an hour as well... has happened to me before in different dealerships, not just Ducati....who knows,
i have no problem as they know me, and if i am going to buy a bike i am pretty clear about my intentions..

[X27]

I had a bunch of peaple bending over backwards to help when I bought my S this morning.:thumbup Now if they would travell to Bologna to speed up the building of my bike that would be impressive, Im not fussed over the month wait but whatever, I've almost paid in full so I hope it convinces them to bring my bike foward if theres a drop out.:pop

[markthebike]

Congratulations on your purchase X27. I was kinda waiting to see when you'd make the jump. :thumbup

[X27]

Yeah I was poised for a while, had to get some coslty legal issues out the way in case things went pear shapped as they say. Now I know Im not going to incure huge legal fee's I can buy. Still I got to be thrifty until I reach a final seattlment hahaa its not over till the fat lady sings.

Speeking of singing, After my purchase I asked about installing a full Termi system and was quoted 6K.....does that sound right????? I think from memory I can import one and fit it myself using a vdst thingo for about 3.5K.....what have you boys done?

[markthebike]

I just got some Termi headers for my R from Commonwealth Motorcycles (Anthony) They are about $ 2,000 USD landed in OZ. A full system is going to be about $ 3,000 USD landed or thereabouts. Our dollar is very strong at the moment so ya don't have to add much to turn into AUD.

[X27]

Oh, I forgot to say, I ran a few mods by them and they were totaly hesitant on mods even carried out by them using dp parts, The termi's was actually there tune limit to my suprise, and they actually said on this bike mod'ing was a bad idea, and warranty would be difficult in any situation, on the other hand they said if I have any issue with a stock bike they will look after me. I think they talked me outa "tuning" the bike.

[markthebike]

What kind of mods?

[X27]

Fly wheel, ti pistons......The guy said "you dont want it (the motor) to spin up any faster".

He also alluded it was already "close to its limit" and he wouldnt do "anything to the motor". He suggested the 999 was a different story if I wanted to mod a Ducati.

So maybe I will go about just litening the bike and leave the motor alone.

[ozducati]

Congrats X27, i was thinking about a lightened Flywheel, but i know a guy in Wollongong who has done it, tells me it nearly rips his arms out of the sockets when he juices it up... i really don't think they need one, had one on my 749s but that was worthwhile...

[ozducati]

OH, and is worth having the cams dialled in... where will you get it serviced? where did you buy it?

[markthebike]

Fly wheel, ti pistons......The guy said "you dont want it (the motor) to spin up any faster".

He also alluded it was already "close to its limit" and he wouldnt do "anything to the motor". He suggested the 999 was a different story if I wanted to mod a Ducati.

So maybe I will go about just litening the bike and leave the motor alone.
Ask lekcom (Bill) on this forum about how expensive it is modifying the motor with that sort of stuff. He knows!!

Was talking to him the other day and he told me how much he has spent on his 1098S motor.......
:eek

[X27]

Frasers and Frasers, Im onto the cams thing, and they know I want it done, preferable before I take delivery....but they werent to receptive about that so maybe I need to talk them into it, One of the guys I talked too said there bikes arnt stalling but if it does they will do it straight away, I think Im going to fit an exhaust around the 1000k mark so maybe then I'll see to it.....are those ergal rollers worth it???.

[Aussie1098s]

You want some info about cam timing?

http://www.moto-one.com.au/performance/1098withtermi70mm.html

[ozducati]

Frasers Homebush?

I get my bikes serviced in Wollongong, is a bit of a hike, but would not let Homebush touch them, they stuffed me up twice with less than average service, so never again... and now George has left as well.... Steve, the tech from Wollongong is an absolute wiz when it comes to Ducati's, wouldn't go past him...

[ozducati]

You want some info about cam timing?

http://www.moto-one.com.au/performance/1098withtermi70mm.html

Mixed results, but had mine done, and it makes a difference, essentially moving the power from one part of the range to another.. the World Superstock specs moves the power into the mid range more... i heard Ducati Melbourne were getting increases of up to 8 or 10hp in the mid range...the bike definitely runs sweeter..

[Aussie1098s]

To my knowledge Cam timing usually alters the max. torque either up the rpm if you retard or lower in the rpm if you advance the cam timing.

Hey M, "mixed results" pro's and con's ?

I was talking to one guy at EC claimed it made a big difference, although he gets his work done by Sean from NFI, so who knows what settings he used.

[Aussie1098s]

Btw, Sun 17 th August EC, NSW DOC has a ride day, they have 60 Ducs coming, booked whole of Yellow group, I'm going and running in Green. Not sure if NFI will be there on that day?
M

[ozducati]

To my knowledge Cam timing usually alters the max. torque either up the rpm if you retard or lower in the rpm if you advance the cam timing.

Hey M, "mixed results" pro's and con's ?

I was talking to one guy at EC claimed it made a big difference, although he gets his work done by Sean from NFI, so who knows what settings he used.

Sorry, I meant mixed results from different people you talk to.. the Moto-One guy is very well respected, yet he didn't seem to think much of, or get a great result from it.. and yes, it essentially changes where the power/torque is strong..

I personally think the 1098 runs better since it was done, but will only be able to give it a real run at EC on the 31st, have hardly been on it since it was done.. my tech recommends it, (he loves it when i want to get something done...like 2 kids up to no good)...

There is a track day with the club on 17th August, i think the guys from Ducati Penrith are coming down for the day as well, with their techs & sales people, & i think some demo bikes... if you want to book for it, PM me & i will give you Warren Hayes' email/phone to book, but do it fast ... already have most of 2 groups booked...

[markthebike]

Christ! Are there any guys on this Forum from Melbourne? I'm feeling really left out here :(

[Aussie1098s]

Booked already, in green, and yes that day is down to some spots left only as I now see.
Are you thinking of going?

[markthebike]

Nah. Track day at Phillip Island on 18/8/08. Best race track in the world.

[Aussie1098s]

I'm planning on coming down in spring for a track day or two, just trying to get a couple of others sorted to go too.

[markthebike]

That would be great. I'd love to meet youse guys!

[Labratt]

Lucky bastards on the east coast. All we really have over here in WA is Wanneroo as far a a race track goes and thats more of a goat trail...:lol AGC does have a nice little closed course though. Would so love to ride at the Island. Gotta envy ya Mark. Riding that R around PI must be hard work..:lol

[Aussie1098s]

That would be great. I'd love to meet youse guys! "n that"

[X27]

Frasers Homebush?

I get my bikes serviced in Wollongong, is a bit of a hike, but would not let Homebush touch them, they stuffed me up twice with less than average service, so never again... and now George has left as well.... Steve, the tech from Wollongong is an absolute wiz when it comes to Ducati's, wouldn't go past him...


Nah Wollongong, I rode with steve today, it was good.
I must admit the few times if been to Homebush there were very nice to me and Wollongong was a bit......not so freindly the first time I walked in the door but yesterday and today they were sweet as (dah, I was buying) but yeah steve seems like a good guy and the staff were eager to talk up his tech skillsso that was cool......I hope its still cool if I need his skills lol.

[ozducati]

X, i can tell you, if you talk to Steve about what you want to do, he will tell you honestly - good or bad idea... and if it will help...the sales people are telling you what they are told.. i must say though, they are a good bunch of guys and gals in the 'Gong, always happy n smily...

[X27]

2. Frasers want one hours labour $121.00 + GST = $133.10 to reset TPS and adjust Idle fuel trim/mix.

Fairings will be off, bike warmed up for trim adjustment. Even with me offering to buy 5 oil filters at same time.

I would like for someone the argue that this is not overcharging and that it does take an hour?

:humpleg


So I booked in for my first service and that turd service manager wants 2hrs to reset the TPS and the CO......on top of the first service cost. the first service cost is not the issue but 2hrs to reset the tps is offensive, the prick must think im a dumb ass.....anyway im going to argue with him over it...or go straight to the manager and ask why Im being treated like this????

[ozducati]

X, should only need an hour, if that, they did mine and i hung around while Kat made me a coffee :)

[Aussie1098s]

X, if you want fit your Termis filter and ECU, put it on a trailer, bring it along to EC on the 5th july or the 19th and I'll take my lap top & reset your TPS and adjust fuel trim for nothing, takes more time to take the LH fairing off.

M

[X27]

X, should only need an hour, if that, they did mine and i hung around while Kat made me a coffee :)

Thats what I was thinking.

X, if you want fit your Termis filter and ECU, put it on a trailer, bring it along to EC on the 5th july or the 19th and I'll take my lap top & reset your TPS and adjust fuel trim for nothing, takes more time to take the LH fairing off.

M

Wow that would be cool, but I think Im shooting for the 19th as my suit might be here a couple of days before that....otherwise i'd be into that

Thanks:thumbup

[Aussie1098s]

Just dont ride it after you fit the gear on, you can start it to check for exh leaks, get a woody on the sound etc, but don't run it.
So leave the fitting sooner to the date otherwise you won't be riding until ECU work done.
Don't unplug your Std ECU either.

[ozducati]

M ??? why? i fitted mine and rode it to Wollongong to get the TPS done?

[Aussie1098s]

M,
The current theory is the ECU does not know where the throttle is, so it ups the fuel everywhere except idle, so you can foul the spark plugs up.
At idle the fuel trim is set at zero and does not change when you unplug or replace the ECU, however when the free flowing exh is fitted, the idle becomes now lean, so you need to up the idle fuel trim.
You would have been up it, getting off on the noise, mate no chance of fouling up anything!!!

So X, really, on second thoughts if you don't have far to go just ride it in.

Regards
M

[ozducati]

M, it did idle high a couple of times, so yes, is not advisable to leave it too long or ride too far...understand...

[X27]

Its all done, 3hrs on the system and clutch plate and cover + 45min to get the fairing on and off. I've left the fairing off so i can just ride in as is, get the service done and refit the fairing Saturday.
I didnt start it, I just turned the key on to see "1098 RACING EVO" and check error codes...there were none WOO HOO.


So my next issue is the clutch cover doesnt fit right....it lines up with the bolt holes but its super close to the plate let alone the springs??????

I know the springs should be 5Nm but my torque wrench starts at 10Nm, So what kind of measurement or distence are the springs suppose to stick out. I thought I did them up close how they were when I took them out but maybe I fucked up cus this cover is supposed to fit, The add for it said it would fit Monsters and 1098's????? Initially I thought the cover was wrong or for a diff model, but Its probably my work:bangwall

[ozducati]

the clutch cover should fit all dry clutch's... i found that my spring bolts did up snug without a torque wrench, and no clearance issues when i fitted a pressure plate before i had the slipper....

[Aussie1098s]

All good, I would not expect any check engine lights.
Ride it out and we'll reset TPS 5th july.

[X27]

So I've checking it out, I've tightened the springs a bit more, but there still no way its ever going to fit as is, it looks like the solution is fat arsed 25mm spacers....or more.
The camera batteries are charging so maybe its good to get a picture happening......lets see

You can see the gap between the basket and the cover, the cover is touchining the springs as is and there is about a 25mm-35mm gap.
the springs are nearly completly wound on.

[Warp Racer]

Mate, I've been a motor mechanic since 1984, Mitsu Sigma's and Nissan Bluebirds where new then.

Data scanners, live data, stored data, extracting and clearing fault codes take me 5 mins either Snap on, Karman or Bosch equipment / systems!

Reset TPS 2mins, Adjust fuel trim 5 mins (like I said warmed engine with all access)

I guess that leaves 48 min test ride, Bull Shit.

I have ordered a
http://www.technoresearch.com/Products/VDSTS-Motorbike/VDSTS-Motorbike

$195.00 USD plus postage.

Then with a bit of practice I'll get it down to 1min and 3mins respectively.

Seems like a good piece of kit, as I'm a big fan of doing it yourself if you have the aptitude to apply what you know :)

The web page owner listing shows amongst others:

Superbike 848 Magneti Marelli IAW 5AM
Superbike 1098 Magneti Marelli IAW 5AM
Superbike 1098 S Magneti Marelli IAW 5AM
Superbike 1098 S Tricolore Magneti Marelli IAW 5AM

Plus PC & PDA capability and Bluetooth capable to save it all on the fly.

You need a few extra items for a complete run picture as the kit web page mentions but still a nice start in the right direction :thumbup

[X27]

Here is a better picture, this what its suppose to look like.

But I had to remove the forward part with the curve to clear the springs.








My springs fully wound on still protrude about 30mm, its the same with the stock plate, is that a 1098 thing cus this pic has the springs sunk into the plate?

[Aussie1098s]

Buy one they work just fine.
Seems like a good piece of kit, as I'm a big fan of doing it yourself if you have the aptitude to apply what you know :)

The web page owner listing shows amongst others:

Superbike 848 Magneti Marelli IAW 5AM
Superbike 1098 Magneti Marelli IAW 5AM
Superbike 1098 S Magneti Marelli IAW 5AM
Superbike 1098 S Tricolore Magneti Marelli IAW 5AM

Plus PC & PDA capability and Bluetooth capable to save it all on the fly.

You need a few extra items for a complete run picture as the kit web page mentions but still a nice start in the right direction :thumbup

[Aussie1098s]

Clutch springs hanging out too far, somethings not right??

Pull it appart again!!



Here is a better picture, this what its suppose to look like.

But I had to remove the forward part with the curve to clear the springs.








My springs fully wound on still protrude about 30mm, its the same with the stock plate, is that a 1098 thing cus this pic has the springs sunk into the plate?

[ozducati]

Hey, that's my clutch cover.....i put the STM on mine with the STM slipper... but think the STM slipper does not protrude as much as the standard... something is not right, is the pressure plate seated properly ? all the way in, with the push rod showing through the centre??

[X27]

10959It "looks" like an STM but I dont think it is if you know what I mean?

To me the clutch looks like its been put back together right. The part of the clutch cover I removed has a width (from the backing plate) of 27mm. It looks like I need about 47mm??
So I took some daylight pics this arvo.

The last 2 pics are the with lever out and the clutch lever in as you can see the the small gap in the last pic.

Oh (to me) it works fine when I pull the clutch lever in I can spin it with my hand, it engauges first and second easy

[ozducati]

X, take a pic of the clutch cover off the bike? where did you get it from ? what brand is it?

[ozducati]

dunno if you can see the cover on mine, is an STM...

[ozducati]

some more

[X27]

Its hard to tell, is the forward "wire" further out than the first "wire" cus mine are the same distance, about 27mm.

[X27]

Problem solved, this cover is for the slipper clutch, not the standard or plated standard.......fuck it.

Oh well live and learn:bangwallthe hard way.

[ozducati]

i just measured mine, the rear wire comes out only about 20mm, the centre one is about 32/33mm, the STM pressure plate on my slipper only comes out about 18mm on the outer, and about same the the centre wire in the middle...

[ozducati]

i was just going to ask if it was designed for the STM slipper...

[X27]

i was just going to ask if it was designed for the STM slipper...


Thanks, you kinda already did..it was your post that dropped the penny:lol

[ozducati]

so now you buy an STM slipper :)

[X27]

The funny thing is, I was eyeing an stm from Motowheels before the car thing diverted my funds.

So its on the list, I think I want some protective CF first, for the swingarm and a longer hugger.