The Gun Thread :)

[ducaticorse]

BTW Spalding, what type of weaponry is in your collection.

[spalding12]

BTW Spalding, what type of weaponry is in your collection.

pistols mostly

kimber eclipse ultra carry ii
http://www.kimberamerica.com/images/pistols/eclipse/large_ultra2.jpg

FN-Herstal FiveSeven
http://www.remtek.com/arms/fn/57/57.gif

Left-handed DPMS AR-15 with a bunch of goodies on it
http://www.gunmuse.com/firebase_images/RFA2-M4PMC.jpg

a Titanium Beretta Tomcat
http://www.gunshopfinder.com/beretta/3032_tomcat.jpg

Glock 19 (for fun.... NEVER carry this gun)
http://www.gunshopfinder.com/Glock/G19.jpg

[spalding12]

a few other things as well
some better off NOT mentioned here

what about you?

[ducaticorse]

Colt AR-15 Sporter 2, collapsible stock, flash supressor (pre ban)
Glock 23/crimson trace frame integrated laser
Glock 27
RPB open bolt MAC-10,
Remington 1911A .45
Springfield Armory M1 Garand
A WW2 Japanese Arisaka bolt action rifle, with original markings.

[ducaticorse]

That 5-7 is all the rage with drug dealers and gang bangers. Those rounds go right through armored vests, not to mention car doors ETC. They're the new "cop killers".

[spalding12]

Colt AR-15 Sporter 2, collapsible stock, flash supressor (pre ban)
Glock 26/crimson trace frame integrated laser
Glock 27
RPB open bolt MAC-10,
Remington 1911A .45
Springfield Armory M1 Garand
A WW2 Japanese Arisaka bolt action rifle, with original markings.


very nice.....
the M1 Garand
http://www.wwiiguns.com/shop/images/hudson_m1garand_modelgunreplica_wwii.jpg

very nice

[ducaticorse]

very nice.....
the M1 Garand
http://www.wwiiguns.com/shop/images/hudson_m1garand_modelgunreplica_wwii.jpg

very nice
Hand me down along with the Arisaka from my father.

[spalding12]

That 5-7 is all the rage with drug dealers and gang bangers. Those rounds go right through armored vests, not to mention car doors ETC. They're the new "cop killers".

the armour-piercing rounds (of which i have enough to "last me awhile") are illegal to carry these days

also made:
subsonic.... also illegal to carry

so...
i have the "LEGAL" rounds

it's a toss-up between the kimber and 5-7 as to which to carry
i rarely carry
i have a permit
i ride on my bike alone at night not infrequently
that's when i carry

the kimber is FAR smaller.... but, much heavier than the 5-7
they both shoot straight as an arrow
right out of the box

[ducaticorse]

Is your 5-7 barrel threaded for a silencer? That's the only reason subsonic rounds would be useful for anyway.

[R1Racer49]

Colt AR-15 Sporter 2, collapsible stock, flash supressor (pre ban)
Glock 26/crimson trace frame integrated laser
Glock 27
RPB open bolt MAC-10,
Remington 1911A .45
Springfield Armory M1 Garand
A WW2 Japanese Arisaka bolt action rifle, with original markings.
Remind me not to get on your bad side!!!

[ducaticorse]

I've got a case of steel core 5.56 for the AR-15. Although i have no idea when I'm going to make use of it.

[spalding12]

Is your 5-7 barrel threaded for a silencer? That's the only reason subsonic rounds would be useful for anyway.

i have someone in miami who'll do it for me
sort of owes me a favor
i haven't done it yet
not looking to go to jail....
supressors are SORT OF illegal.... but, not entirely, as it turns out

it's a very complicated law, i've been told

[ducaticorse]

Remind me not to get on your bad side!!!
Ha! I'd rather walk away than use any of those toys anyway. No problem from me!

[spalding12]

here's where i spend some time, when i get the chance:

http://www.knightshooting.com/

the owner is the dad of one of my patients
he is ex-Israeli Military
and the nicest guy you'll ever meet
but.....

well.... i'm sure you can see that knowing him would be quite fun

[ducaticorse]

I can't wait to move out of MA.

[spalding12]

I've got a case of steel core 5.56 for the AR-15. Although i have no idea when I'm going to make use of it.


really....
very interesting

[spalding12]

I can't wait to move out of MA.

i bet

[spalding12]

Remind me not to get on your bad side!!!


nah....
it's all for fun....
just in inside the range
a great stress reliever
and, i always enjoy learning a new skill
the coordination of slowed breathing and steady motion is quite difficult to perfect... and quite exhilerating when it all comes together

[Rhett]

This was worthy of it's own thread so I moved the post to a new one.... (it was a pretty good hyjack though) :lmao

p.s Nice collection guy's

[ducaticorse]

This was worthy of it's own thread so I moved the post to a new one.... (it was a pretty good hyjack though) :lmao

p.s Nice collection guy's

Yes, I thought it was a great hijack myself!
:phil

[Rhett]

Here is one of my little toys I use for range shooting and also within reach if needed.

Beretta .40

[w00tw00t]

Glock 19 (for fun.... NEVER carry this gun)
http://www.gunshopfinder.com/Glock/G19.jpg

cool collection!! Though I'll admit I don't know too much about guns - why shouldn't one carry this one around??

[spalding12]

This was worthy of it's own thread so I moved the post to a new one.... (it was a pretty good hyjack though) :lmao

p.s Nice collection guy's

thanks for the move
certainly the best thing to do

[spalding12]

Here is one of my little toys I use for range shooting and also within reach if needed.

Beretta .40

ah....
that is a very nice gun

[spalding12]

cool collection!! Though I'll admit I don't know too much about guns - why shouldn't one carry this one around??

glocks have no REAL safety
so.... they are safe to carry
some swear by them, but... so many accidental firings have been reported over the years...
it's just not with the chance

[CAG]

i have someone in miami who'll do it for me
sort of owes me a favor
i haven't done it yet
not looking to go to jail....
supressors are SORT OF illegal.... but, not entirely, as it turns out

it's a very complicated law, i've been toldthey are perfectly legal in FL and the law is not as complicated as you may have been led to believe. But if you are going to suppress anything, suppress the .45

CAG

[spalding12]

they are perfectly legal in FL and the law is not as complicated as you may have been led to believe. But if you are going to suppress anything, suppress the .45

CAG

getting .45s to fly SUBsonic is much easier
one reason to thread the FiveSeven is because that gun has ABSOLUTELY NO RECOIL...
so, it is much more desirable as a "stealth" weapon

also....
surpressing the sound of a .45 is nearly impossible
the sound of the hammer (or other device) "igniting" that 230gr load would only be "silent" during a riot :biggrin

[ducaticorse]

Suppressors are LEGAL in Fla?

[KENSHIN]

my SA-XD 9 subcompact

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3738/gun1nt8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[KENSHIN]

Glock 37 .45 GAP

http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/4245/gunau6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[spalding12]

my SA-XD 9 subcompact

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3738/gun1nt8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

sig makes some nice guns
how does that one shoot?

nice carry weapon, for sure

thanks for the post

[spalding12]

Glock 37 .45 GAP

http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/4245/gunau6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

very nice

[spalding12]

Suppressors are LEGAL in Fla?

they are, believe it or not
but..... i am now forgetting why and how
i'll look that up

this info applies to florida:

http://www.internationalpolicesupply.net/ownmg.htm

[spalding12]

THIS:

http://www.packing.org/

is the BEST site for answering all these questions for the entire US

[KENSHIN]

sig makes some nice guns
how does that one shoot?

nice carry weapon, for sure


It's a Springfield Armory. Its my first one and I'm very happy with it. Shoots real smooth with very small kick. Oh yea, its definitely great for carry. I sometimes forget that I'm wearing it.

[spalding12]

It's a Springfield Armory. Its my first one and I'm very happy with it. Shoots real smooth with very small kick. Oh yea, its definitely great for carry. I sometimes forget that I'm wearing it.

Springfield Armory.....
sorry. not sure why i thought it was a Sig Arms

glad it shoots well
and TONS lighter than my Kimber, i'm sure

[Rajin Cajun]

Here is one of my little toys I use for range shooting and also within reach if needed.

Beretta .40

I have the same model also. I picked up a tactical package about a year ago and absolutely love the thing. Nice and smooooottttttthhh, like butter :biggrin

[Wolfpack]

HK USP Tactical .45
HK USPC .45
Kimber TLEII
Springfield TRP LRAK
HK P2000 9mm

Noveske 14.5" Afghan w/Surefire M900, SM Shortdot, LMT BUIS

FN FAL .308

AK74s

Barrett 82A1
HS Precision, Pro 2000 HTR .308

Wilson Combat modded 870
HK/Benelli 1014
Benelli M4

[CAG]

getting .45s to fly SUBsonic is much easier
one reason to thread the FiveSeven is because that gun has ABSOLUTELY NO RECOIL...
so, it is much more desirable as a "stealth" weapon

also....
surpressing the sound of a .45 is nearly impossible
the sound of the hammer (or other device) "igniting" that 230gr load would only be "silent" during a riot :biggrinI don't know much about much, but I know a lot about this. The only sounds you will hear when you fire a gun is the initial blast as the bullet leaves the barrel and the ballistic crack as it goes supersonic. Using subsonic (<1000fps) takes care of that. Using a suppressor, for the most part takes care of the initial blast by re-directing the sound waves inside the can. (the design of baffle stacks is a closely guarded secret by most manufactures).
The hammer falling makes virtually no noise. Take my word on this, I've suppressed everything from .22 to 50BMG and other than .22, .45ACP is overall the quietest common caliber to suppress.

Yes, suppressors are legal in florida. Machine guns too, but that is another thread.

Check here http://www.subguns.com and here http://www.sturmgewehr.com for information on suppressors (cans) and how to buy them. Or, shoot me an email or pm and I can walk you through it.
CAG

[HTB]

Supressors are legal in the UK too - on rifles. Suppressed my .243 tikka and .270 Sako. Helps with the recoil and apparently accuracy. the deer don't like it either way, suppressed or otherwise, but my hearing thanks me for it.

So, Subsonic is illegal in the US becasue you can't really here where it's comming from?

[CAG]

Supressors are legal in the UK too - on rifles. Suppressed my .243 tikka and .270 Sako. Helps with the recoil and apparently accuracy. the deer don't like it either way, suppressed or otherwise, but my hearing thanks me for it.

So, Subsonic is illegal in the US becasue you can't really here where it's comming from?No, anything below 1000fps is subsonic. Greg is referring to a particular type of ammunition made by FN Herstal of Belgium for the 5.7 pistol and its mate the P90 sub gun. The original rounds for the gun would indeed pierce body armor. They were specificly designed to pierce a type of military helmet at a certain distance, I don't remember the exact numbers.
You can make any round you want subsonic just by changing the load. How stable it flys and effective it is down range will change. The most popular rifle caliber to suppress is 7.62x51 (.308). The most popular pistol caliber is .22 followed by 9mm. (9mm only because most subguns are 9mm) I'll post some pics of suppressors I have when I get home.

CAG

[spalding12]

I have the same model also. I picked up a tactical package about a year ago and absolutely love the thing. Nice and smooooottttttthhh, like butter :biggrin

it is a sweet piece
tell me more about that "tactical package," if you would please

[spalding12]

HK USP Tactical .45
HK USPC .45
Kimber TLEII
Springfield TRP LRAK
HK P2000 9mm

Noveske 14.5" Afghan w/Surefire M900, SM Shortdot, LMT BUIS

FN FAL .308

AK74s

Barrett 82A1
HS Precision, Pro 2000 HTR .308

Wilson Combat modded 870
HK/Benelli 1014
Benelli M4

see.....
i knew that you belonged here..... now didn't i :)

nice collection

[spalding12]

I don't know much about much, but I know a lot about this. The only sounds you will hear when you fire a gun is the initial blast as the bullet leaves the barrel and the ballistic crack as it goes supersonic. Using subsonic (<1000fps) takes care of that. Using a suppressor, for the most part takes care of the initial blast by re-directing the sound waves inside the can. (the design of baffle stacks is a closely guarded secret by most manufactures).
The hammer falling makes virtually no noise. Take my word on this, I've suppressed everything from .22 to 50BMG and other than .22, .45ACP is overall the quietest common caliber to suppress.

Yes, suppressors are legal in florida. Machine guns too, but that is another thread.

Check here http://www.subguns.com and here http://www.sturmgewehr.com for information on suppressors (cans) and how to buy them. Or, shoot me an email or pm and I can walk you through it.
CAG


sounds like you know a lot about a lot
thanks for the info
i will take a look at this info and then e-mail or pm you
i really appreciate it..... a lot

[spalding12]

So, Subsonic is illegal in the US becasue you can't really here where it's comming from?


hmmmmm
interesting point :)

[spalding12]

I'll post some pics of suppressors I have when I get home.

CAG

i'd very much like to see those pics

thanks, in advance

[Warp Racer]

One of the most powerful pistols I have ever fired was a friends single shot 30-06 chambered Thompson Contender. This thing was smoking holes straight through a scuba tank on a restricted range at 25 feet..beautiful grip, but still had a mean recoil.

[Rajin Cajun]

The most powerful combo I ever had the displeasure of firing was a 45-70 Government that my friends dad had custom made. He had a matching pistol and rifle......needles to say firing them once was enough!!!

[spalding12]

One of the most powerful pistols I have ever fired was a friends single shot 30-06 chambered Thompson Contender. This thing was smoking holes straight through a scuba tank on a restricted range at 25 feet..beautiful grip, but still had a mean recoil.

this thing?

http://www.ssaa.org.au/newssaa/101-StoriesReviews/ammo/wildcats5.jpg

[spalding12]

i shot the desert eagle .50 pistol a few times
don't want to again

http://www.airsoft06.com/Tokyo_marui_desert_eagle_50_AE.JPG

[Rajin Cajun]

this thing?

http://www.ssaa.org.au/newssaa/101-StoriesReviews/ammo/wildcats5.jpg

No, It was a custom made to look like an old Colt 45. I have pics at home I can post when I get there Wednesday. And :1 on the Desert Eagle the same friend also has the Desert Eagle and a baby eagle .9mm (very nice gun) I prefer the baby eagle :badteeth

[spalding12]

No, It was a custom made to look like an old Colt 45. I have pics at home I can post when I get there Wednesday. And :1 on the Desert Eagle the same friend also has the Desert Eagle and a baby eagle .9mm (very nice gun) I prefer the baby eagle :badteeth


yeah,
i thought that probably was NOT it

i'll look forward to seeing that picture

[CAG]

Here are a few of the guns I own with suppressors attached.

The top gun in the center of the picture is an HK UMP45 with a Gemtech can. Next is an HK51, no can. Third is an MP5 with a Gemtech can, and fourth is an MP5 (40 S&W) also a Gemtech can.

In the upper right corner you can see the front of a Bowers suppressor on an M11, and in the lower right corner is an American 180 with a can of my own design and manufacture.

You can also see an MP5k and the lower half of an FN P90.

CAG

[CAG]

Oops. a photographer and computer wiz I'm not.

[spalding12]

is that the collection AT your house?
all those guns on a peg board

yikes!
and..... COOL, at the same time

[CAG]

HK USP Tactical with an AWC can and an HK SOCOM with a Knights Armament can

[CAG]

FN FAL with Advanced Armament suppressor

[spalding12]

you should NEVER have shown me this collection...
why is my Tricolore seem so CHEAP, all of a sudden? :)

[CAG]

SAavage 110 FP with Sound TEchnology Dark Star suppressor.

I have more but they are mostly .22s.

Greg, you and anyone else on this board is welcome to come up here and shoot whatever I have. I would welcome the opportunity to show you the same hospitality in my world as you have shown me here.

CAG

[CAG]

It ain't that impressive. I have less than 1/2 the price of your tricolore tied up in those guns. (Except the minigun. That one is expensive.)

CAG

[spalding12]

Greg, you and anyone else on this board is welcome to come up here and shoot whatever I have. I would welcome the opportunity to show you the same hospitality in my world as you have shown me here.

CAG

this is a very very nice offer
i would love for you to come here to shoot as well
that hospitality will always go both ways with folks around here

thanks for that wonderful comment

[Phil]

you all have some nice collections!

not my actual pic, but a pic of my gun: glock 23 .40cal
http://www.landro.no/glock/bilder/glock_23.gif

I only carry it when going downtown, which is rare. Mostly stays at home....

[spalding12]

you all have some nice collections!

not my actual pic, but a pic of my gun: glock 23 .40cal
http://www.landro.no/glock/bilder/glock_23.gif

I only carry it when going downtown, which is rare. Mostly stays at home....

2 of the local police department carry these exact weapons when it became obvious that 9mm rounds RARELY IF EVER penetrate a windshield...
especially at the 45 degree angle you'd normally see as someone was trying to run your over :(

[ducaticorse]

I'm in Boston, if I leave now, I can be there in an hour!

[spalding12]

I'm in Boston, if I leave now, I can be there in an hour!

i'll send someone to pick you up:biggrin

[Phil]

2 of the local police department carry these exact weapons when it became obvious that 9mm rounds RARELY IF EVER penetrate a windshield...
especially at the 45 degree angle you'd normally see as someone was trying to run your over :(

There is crime down there in Florida? I thought that was paradise?

[spalding12]

There is crime down there in Florida? I thought that was paradise?

well...
they try to keep the crime off the the CHAMBER OF COMMERCE websites :)

[CAG]

I'm in Boston, if I leave now, I can be there in an hour!I'm here and am always looking for a reason to go shooting. I will be doing a lot more riding and less shooting though as the spring arrives.

CAG

[DesmoDog]

...9mm rounds RARELY IF EVER penetrate a windshield...
especially at the 45 degree angle you'd normally see as someone was trying to run your over :(

Really? That's interesting, I never would have guessed that.

In my mind that says as much about the glass as the gun though. I'm amazed at how strong it is - I once watched a retractable cord thingie pull out of the ceiling and slam into the windshield of a Mercedes - I could see the windshield give a little then spit the thing off... onto the hood... where it proceeded to put a nice crease in the metal.

It would have been cool to see, but it was my car. :(

In my garage. :BangHead

Back on topic, only gun I've got is an old .38 revolver, military issue I believe. One of the things we found after my dad died. I've shot a few though, and have always had a strange interest in 9mm stuff...

[Phil]

Really? That's interesting, I never would have guessed that.

In my mind that says as much about the glass as the gun though. I'm amazed at how strong it is - I once watched a retractable cord thingie pull out of the ceiling and slam into the windshield of a Mercedes - I could see the windshield give a little then spit the thing off... onto the hood... where it proceeded to put a nice crease in the metal.

It would have been cool to see, but it was my car. :(

In my garage. :BangHead

Back on topic, only gun I've got is an old .38 revolver, military issue I believe. One of the things we found after my dad died. I've shot a few though, and have always had a strange interest in 9mm stuff...

9mm rounds suck.... Sure, anything can kill given the right round placement, but I'd rather have something with more stopping power. We used to kill stray/rabid dogs in Iraq with a 9mm beretta, you'd empty 5 rounds into a damn dog and it would keep running like nothing ever happened. :BangHead disclaimer: I like dogs, but these things were rabid, flea and disease infested, disgusting creatures

[ducaticorse]

9mm rounds suck.... Sure, anything can kill given the right round placement, but I'd rather have something with more stopping power. We used to kill stray/rabid dogs in Iraq with a 9mm beretta, you'd empty 5 rounds into a damn dog and it would keep running like nothing ever happened. :BangHead disclaimer: I like dogs, but these things were rabid, flea and disease infested, disgusting creatures
9mm do suck, the old millitary personel, who were issued the 1911A .45 ACP swore by it. The muzzle blast alone was enough to make someone think twice, not to mention the devastating shock a .45 does to the body.

[surferb]

Nice weapon - bringing back rifle drill memories...and loud gunnies....
:biggrin

very nice.....
the M1 Garand
http://www.wwiiguns.com/shop/images/hudson_m1garand_modelgunreplica_wwii.jpg

very nice

[KENSHIN]

A 9mm hydrashock round is just as good when it comes to stopping power. I guess its due to preference, that's why I have both

[Earache]

Pah! What a bunch of girly girl weapons.

Just call me Bond... James Bond.

The Walther PPK/S .380 ACP. Wish my hands were small enough to actually shoot the thing...

[ducaticorse]

A 9mm hydrashock round is just as good when it comes to stopping power. I guess its due to preference, that's why I have both

Right about that, unfortunately the Geneva Convention has banned the use of any type of hollow point rounds for use by the millitary. I use Federal Hydrashocks in my .40 Glocks for personal defense. Talk about the best of both worlds 45-9mm, stopping power, and velocity.

[ducaticorse]

And I love your avatar

[spalding12]

Really? That's interesting, I never would have guessed that.

In my mind that says as much about the glass as the gun though. I'm amazed at how strong it is - I once watched a retractable cord thingie pull out of the ceiling and slam into the windshield of a Mercedes - I could see the windshield give a little then spit the thing off... onto the hood... where it proceeded to put a nice crease in the metal.

It would have been cool to see, but it was my car. :(

In my garage. :BangHead

Back on topic, only gun I've got is an old .38 revolver, military issue I believe. One of the things we found after my dad died. I've shot a few though, and have always had a strange interest in 9mm stuff...

the guy who owns the range where i shoot has a police video illustrating this fact

the 9mm slug is TOO LIGHT to penetrate a windshield/laminated glass except if it is at a 90 degree angle to that glass.... and, even then, it doesn't penetrate consistently

a .40 bullet can penetrate at an angle usually
while a .45 will almost every time
it's all about the WEIGHT of the projectile, apparently

9mm ammo is the cheapest (over .22 caliber) on the market
and 9mm guns are cheaper to police forces
but..... there were far too many instances where the STOPPING POWER of the 9mm was insufficient to stop a would-be attacker

for instance.....
an LEO is trying to "subdue" a drunk..... or drugged-out assailant....
shooting him in the chest with a 9mm just PISSES HIM OFF and long before he dies.... or collapses he can still attack the LEO enough to cause him harm

with a larger caliper bullet you can stop that criminal in his tracks BEFORE he can attack the LEO

[spalding12]

read this thread on a law enforcement forum that I JUST FOUND..... posted recently

the cops are talking about this very subject right now:

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=783668#post783668

[spalding12]

A 9mm hydrashock round is just as good when it comes to stopping power. I guess its due to preference, that's why I have both


i only carry MagSafe in my carry guns
http://www.magsafeonline.com/
same principle as your HYDROSHOCK
but.....
i'd still rather shoot a .45 MagSafe than a 9mm one :)

[spalding12]

http://www.glockworld.com/images/ammo/magsafe_02.jpg

[ducaticorse]

God guys, Just ask 50cent about the stopping power of the 9mm. He'll tell you the rizzle dizzle fo sho. He got shot a bunch of times by one.

[spalding12]

Pah! What a bunch of girly girl weapons.

Just call me Bond... James Bond.

The Walther PPK/S .380 ACP. Wish my hands were small enough to actually shoot the thing...

i've always LOVED this gun
and they do make MagSafe for it
i leave that ammo in my Beretta Tomcat (.32 ACP)
your .380 would be better
and the slide won't slice your hand off like my Tomcat if you aren't careful :(

[ducaticorse]

magsafe, they don't go through walls as a design feature right?

[spalding12]

magsafe, they don't go through walls as a design feature right?

yes....
that's why it is the PREFERRED ammo for air marshals
won't penetrate the seats for the SKIN of the plane
though i doubt that very very much

[spalding12]

one more thing
most shooting experts will tell you that IF you are going to use MagSafe, etc.... in your guns at home
ALWAYS put a regular bullet in the chamber
because.....
if you shoot a loved one by mistake, they have a MUCH BETTER CHANCE OF LIVING if you hit them with a bullet that will go RIGHT THROUGH

and, if you were shooting a criminal you are going to shoot MULTIPLE TIMES and that MagSafe or equivalent slug will be in positions 2 thru .........

[Manuel_F4]

Ok, here is my "gun"
Played the german semi professional league and used Cockers...
not really... this one was a single copy of 200.. for professional use I got an Angel...

I know, German league is not quite interesting to th US guys, but we were third in German semi professionl league... ;)

[spalding12]

Ok, here is my "gun"
Played the german semi professional league and used Cockers...
not really... this one was a single copy of 200.. for professional use I got an Angel...

I know, German league is not quite interesting to th US guys, but we were thirs in German semi professionl league... ;)

i'd like to know more about THIS gun.....
much more, if you have the time
thanks in advance

[ducaticorse]

It's a paint gun Spalding!
And we do shoot paint here Manuel, infact, I think the game was invented in the US

[Manuel_F4]

i'd like to know more about THIS gun.....
much more, if you have the time
thanks in advance

Greg, thanks for the attention.
This gun was one of 100 manufactured from "Graham" - a dutch Paintball legend. First batch was made of 100 pcs. second batch (witch mine is from) also was made of 100 pcs. I got another "Spearhead" Cocker from Graham with E-Frame (from the third batch) but sold it. This one I will keep. It´s with custom bolt, custom air, and works fast like hell (if adjusted prpooperly).
It´s really one of 100 guns sold... and I will keep it for ever.

btw. has someone a cheap Angel for me to play :biggrin

[spalding12]

It's a paint gun Spalding!
And we do shoot paint here Manuel, infact, I think the game was invented in the US

man... i'm extra dense tonight
all the neighbor kids play
some have $1,000.00 guns.....
there are some snobby paintballers around here :)

[spalding12]

the neighbor kid..... age 13 has about 10 new bruises on him that he showed me yesterday.... from a game on saturday night...
he had a blast, he said

[Manuel_F4]

Greg, show them that Spearhead Cocker... they will go mad... :wflag:biggrin:phil

:beer

Paintball is such a great sport... but you can not do it professional, because of the nazi german... :(

[spalding12]

he's coming over now to take a look
so.....
how much are these guns?

[Rhett]

So from the looks of it............


Don't mess with a Ducati owner :lmao

He probably has a gun.... :)

[Manuel_F4]

Greg, the normal Spearheads are one of 100 kind. But the one I have is one of a kind with a custm bolt from a dutch custom msnufacturer...

[Manuel_F4]

Greg, the normal Spearheads are one of 100 kind. But the one I have is one of a kind with a custm bolt from a dutch custom msnufacturer...
I will not sell it... despite for a good offer....

[spalding12]

So from the looks of it............


Don't mess with a Ducati owner :lmao

He probably has a gun.... :)

yeah..... and isn't that the strangest thing?
i never would have imagined so many gun owners here
of course, there is a HUGE international component to this forum who will never understand the american's fascination with guns.... which is ok, of course

[PONCH]

Are we talking about paintball guns now..lol.

Well I pay'd a lil over a G for my 05 Planet Eclipse Ego. Its got a ton of mods on it now. My Empire V2 sound activated hopper is suppose to force feed 32-35 balls per second. I have no idea if it does, all I know is, is that if I turn my gun on full auto it shoots ropes!!!! Fun for me and not for the kids. But reg fields dont allow me to do that. Everything is all electric and a big pain in the ass. I easily have a couple grand tied up in paintball guns, parts, and gear.

Otherwise all my other guns are for hunting.
.22 long rifle
20ga single break open action (1st gun when I was 11)
12ga Mossberg 500 full camo
12ga Benelli Supernova Max 4 camo (duck killer)
CVA 50cal black powder
russian SKS, this is gun is alot of fun.

On order Mossberg 835 Turkey, bad ass 12ga

[spalding12]

I will not sell it... despite for a good offer....

fair enough
my neighbor was here
he knew EXACTLY what it was
he was DROOLING all over my computer keyboard :biggrin

[DesmoDog]

read this thread on a law enforcement forum that I JUST FOUND..... posted recently

the cops are talking about this very subject right now:

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=783668#post783668

Interesting read.

One comment reminded of the one time I shot hand guns at a range. A friend of mine brought his 22 and I shot that first. Pop. Pop pop. no biggie.

Then he handed me his 45. Yikes. I had a hard time hanging on to that one. Every time I pulled the trigger I was afraid I was going to drop it.

The worst thing was... for about two years after that, I could tell when it was going to rain because the knuckle on the base of my left thumb would start to ache.

Hence my interest in smaller calibers I suppose!

[spalding12]

Interesting read.

One comment reminded of the one time I shot hand guns at a range. A friend of mine brought his 22 and I shot that first. Pop. Pop pop. no biggie.

Then he handed me his 45. Yikes. I had a hard time hanging on to that one. Every time I pulled the trigger I was afraid I was going to drop it.

The worst thing was... for about two years after that, I could tell when it was going to rain because the knuckle on the base of my left thumb would start to ache.

Hence my interest in smaller calibers I suppose!

i see your point.... but, i could NEVER get comfortable with carrying my TOMCAT
MagSafe or not, that .32 ACP couldn't possible stop an ANGRY would-be attacker....

maybe your .380.... JAMES BOND gun would

but....
IF i have have to use my gun
and of course, i pray that i will never fire it anywhere outside of the range....
i'll be happy to have my Kimber .45 ACP with MagSafe

[Phil]

I'm not big on posting, but this requires comment. I was in Iraq as well. Saw a lot of action and quite a few dogs. Never saw the need to shoot them. I guess some did.

When were you there? I was there right when the war kicked off, when we went in an occupied different areas. How about sleeping out in the open, or in old shelters with no doors and having packs of dogs coming through your perimeter at night stealing your food or pissing/crapping near all of your equipment.

Now days most soldiers in Iraq have air conditioned trailers, big PX's to go to, movies, Subway, Burger King.....we had a cot, MRE's, wrote letters (no phone or internet), and burned barrels full of human crap every day. The last thing we wanted were packs of flea infested creatures coming through our AO and making a mess, and with the other stresses of war shooting a few rabid dogs barely required a 2nd thought.

[ducaticorse]

When were you there? I was there right when the war kicked off, when we went in an occupied different areas. How about sleeping out in the open, or in old shelters with no doors and having packs of dogs coming through your perimeter at night stealing your food or pissing/crapping near all of your equipment.

Now days most soldiers in Iraq have air conditioned trailers, big PX's to go to, movies, Subway, Burger King.....we had a cot, MRE's, wrote letters (no phone or internet), and burned barrels full of human crap every day. The last thing we wanted were packs of flea infested creatures coming through our AO and making a mess, and with the other stresses of war shooting a few rabid dogs barely required a 2nd thought.
Don't let them rile you up bud. If you had to blast a couple mutts for crapping and pissing on the gear that was keeping you alive, then so be it.

[Phil]

Don't let them rile you up bud. If you had to blast a couple mutts for crapping and pissing on the gear that was keeping you alive, then so be it.

No problem, I just hate being judged for no damn reason. :biggrin

[ducaticorse]

I was in the 1st ID, 11M, never saw combat, (don't know how that happened), but understand where you are coming from.

[spalding12]

I'm not big on posting, but this requires comment. I was in Iraq as well. Saw a lot of action and quite a few dogs. Never saw the need to shoot them. I guess some did.

Lynn
welcome to the forum
please introduce yourself
we'd love to know more about you

let's just say that QUESTIONING THE OWNER OF THIS FORUM was quite an interesting first post :confused

[spalding12]

No problem, I just hate being judged for no damn reason. :biggrin

Phil.....
there isn't another person who feels that way, my friend
i love dogs..... have 2 of them....
but, i'm glad you did what you did to keep yourself safe.... to find your way back to us

[Earache]

maybe your .380.... JAMES BOND gun would



The sheer coolness of the PPK scares most would be attackers away. Anyone that would pull a peashooter like that on a guy has got to be bad ass.

That and they expect to see the rocket launchers come out of the frame tubes on the Duc as a weighted capture net flings itself out of the tailsection and drags them to the ground.

Bond....James Bond.

[spalding12]

The sheer coolness of the PPK scares most would be attackers away. Anyone that would pull a peashooter like that on a guy has got to be bad ass.

That and they expect to see the rocket launchers come out of the frame tubes on the Duc as a weighted capture net flings itself out of the tailsection and drags them to the ground.

Bond....James Bond.

LOL
oh, if only we could obtain THAT accessory :drool

[Venom1098]

used to work in a gunshop in coopersburg pa, some sick shit...

Sickest thing I saw weren't guns though, it was the frangible ammunition demonstration. Devastating shit, absolutely destroys life.

[spalding12]

Sickest thing I saw weren't guns though, it was the frangible ammunition demonstration. Devastating shit, absolutely destroys life.

anything we can buy?

[Venom1098]

yeah you can buy then legally, which scares me more... I saw the product demonstration cause the shop i worked for was also an exclusive distributor. Though I think the Armor Piercing Frangible ammo was LEO only, can't remember. PA has no gun laws, almost

[Venom1098]

theres no bullet to pull out, it stays intact long enough to give you the momentum for stopping power then breaks into multiple channel wounds after penetrating about 3-5 inches in (ballistic gellatin) sick stuff

[spalding12]

theres no bullet to pull out, it stays intact long enough to give you the momentum for stopping power then breaks into multiple channel wounds after penetrating about 3-5 inches in (ballistic gellatin) sick stuff

sick....
but when you are in a position when you can get off only 1 shot, and you really really really need it to be effective
it's what you need

[No Quarter]

I have some guns...

But the pride of the lot is a Mark Morris Custom .45 with a 14 round Para-Ordnance frame.

Its artwork, shoots like a swiss watch keeps time. It is an amazing firearm.

I would love to post some pics but alas my wife has the camera...

Check him out at www.morriscustompistols.com (http://www.morriscustompistols.com)

AND,best of all Mark is Ducatista with ST4 and 748R!!!!!

If you contract with him please tell him Allister (thats me) sent you, his work speaks for itself.

[Warp Racer]

I have some guns...

But the pride of the lot is a Mark Morris Custom .45 with a 14 round Para-Ordnance frame.

Its artwork, shoots like a swiss watch keeps time. It is an amazing firearm.

I would love to post some pics but alas my wife has the camera...

Check him out at www.morriscustompistols.com (http://www.morriscustompistols.com)

AND,best of all Mark is Ducatista with ST4 and 748R!!!!!

If you contract with him please tell him Allister (thats me) sent you, his work speaks for itself.

Just checked out the website, the guy does amazing work..attention to detail is stunning :)

[Warp Racer]

I like this pic he has on his website :lmao

http://www.morriscustompistols.com/images/thumbnails/mcps344.jpg

[spalding12]

I have some guns...

But the pride of the lot is a Mark Morris Custom .45 with a 14 round Para-Ordnance frame.

Its artwork, shoots like a swiss watch keeps time. It is an amazing firearm.

I would love to post some pics but alas my wife has the camera...

Check him out at www.morriscustompistols.com (http://www.morriscustompistols.com)

AND,best of all Mark is Ducatista with ST4 and 748R!!!!!

If you contract with him please tell him Allister (thats me) sent you, his work speaks for itself.

wow.....
these folks make some NICE guns

http://www.morriscustompistols.com/images/gallery/mcpl133.jpg

thanks for the post and the link

[spalding12]

I like this pic he has on his website :lmao

http://www.morriscustompistols.com/images/thumbnails/mcps344.jpg

that IS hysterical

[CAG]

wow.....
these folks make some NICE guns

http://www.morriscustompistols.com/images/gallery/mcpl133.jpg

thanks for the post and the link
I see he is showing the gun with a Mitch Rosen holster,belt and mag pouch. Having bought holsters from just about every known manufacturer, I can assure you that the Mitch Rosen stuff is so nice, that once you buy one of his holsters you will buy the gun to fit in it, quit your job, become a police officer so you have a badge and don't have to carry concealed if you don't want to, and wear it every where.

That's what happened to me anyway.

CAG

[CAG]

If you are in the market for a high end 1911. My business partner builds these. (Shameless plug for our website also)

www.p3llc.com (http://www.p3llc.com)

http://www.p3llc.com/images/Doubleguns2.jpg

[spalding12]

I see he is showing the gun with a Mitch Rosen holster,belt and mag pouch. Having bought holsters from just about every known manufacturer, I can assure you that the Mitch Rosen stuff is so nice, that once you buy one of his holsters you will buy the gun to fit in it, quit your job, become a police officer so you have a badge and don't have to carry concealed if you don't want to, and wear it every where.

That's what happened to me anyway.

CAG

that is quite an advertisement for them
i MUST see one of these holsters

[spalding12]

If you are in the market for a high end 1911. My business partner builds these. (Shameless plug for our website also)

www.p3llc.com (http://www.p3llc.com)

http://www.p3llc.com/images/Doubleguns2.jpg


great site
very nice guns

[jlficken]

Here is my collection. Always seems to be growing. I either need to get guns or motorcycles as buying both is making my checking account angry at me :)

Kimber Pro Raptor II (.45 ACP)
Kimber Ultra CDP II (.45 ACP) - newest addition
Springfield Armory XD40 (.40 S&W)
Smith & Wesson 640 (.357 Mag)
Ruger Mark II (.22)

Browing BAR Safari (30-06)
Winchester Model 70 w/ BOSS (30-06)
Remington Model 700 PSS (.300 Win. Mag) w/ Leupold Mark 4 LR-T Scope and Badger Ordnance base and rings
Ruger 10/22 (.22)
Winchester 9422 Mag (.22 Mag)

Winchester Model 1300 (12 ga)

[CAG]

Here ya go:

www.mitchrosen.com (http://www.mitchrosen.com)


CAG

[spalding12]

Here ya go:

www.mitchrosen.com (http://www.mitchrosen.com)


CAG

thanks for the link
what BEAUTIFUL work

[CAG]

thanks for the link
what BEAUTIFUL workAbsolutely, positively, most definitely, with out a doubt the most well made and comfortable holster you will ever wear. If you carried an HK I would send you one so you could see for your self.

CAG

[spalding12]

Absolutely, positively, most definitely, with out a doubt the most well made and comfortable holster you will ever wear. If you carried an HK I would send you one so you could see for your self.

CAG

i wish i had an HK
and i would like to carry my FiveSeven.....
but, while light, it is a bit too LONG in the barrel to wear comfortably.... i think (i might be wrong)

the Kimber Eclipse Ultra Carry II in heavier, but, far smaller

hmmmmm
which HK should i have?

[No Quarter]

If you contact mark let him know you ride.

He is an avid rider and race fan.

His firearms are beautiful.

[spalding12]

If you contact mark let him know you ride.

He is an avid rider and race fan.

His firearms are beautiful.

which Mark?

[No Quarter]

Sorry, I was talking about Mark Morris from Morris Custom Pistols.

He is a freind of mine, we met at the local tracks a couple of times and found out we had several shared interests. Not the least of which is Italian Motorcycles.

And after ahwile talk got to the "what do you do?" and I found out he was a pistolsmith, he did a UNBELEIVABLE job on my .45.

Great Guy, and a true artist.

[spalding12]

Sorry, I was talking about Mark Morris from Morris Custom Pistols.

He is a freind of mine, we met at the local tracks a couple of times and found out we had several shared interests. Not the least of which is Italian Motorcycles.

And after ahwile talk got to the "what do you do?" and I found out he was a pistolsmith, he did a UNBELEIVABLE job on my .45.

Great Guy, and a true artist.

sounds like a great guy
and a good friend

[Peet]

pistols mostly



FN-Herstal FiveSeven
http://www.remtek.com/arms/fn/57/57.gif




Belgian quality :)

[spalding12]

Belgian quality :)

yes, sir
i LOVE my Belgian police weapon

[DucDave]

Two of my mine.

My 45 longslide built by my father
and my model 41http://members.aol.com/trmap/pistolas.jpg

my shooting partner
she always goes to the range with me :biggrin http://members.aol.com/trmap/handsup.jpg
I also
shoot Competive Benchrest
and the Schuetzenfest at Raton, NM
( shes my Coach :Jiggy )

Later, David

[spalding12]

hey david
your dad builds a nice gun...
please tell us more about it, if you would

[CAG]

i wish i had an HK
and i would like to carry my FiveSeven.....
but, while light, it is a bit too LONG in the barrel to wear comfortably.... i think (i might be wrong)

the Kimber Eclipse Ultra Carry II in heavier, but, far smaller

hmmmmm
which HK should i have?If you must have an HK to carry, try the usp compact. Your Kimber ultra carry is a very nice carry gun, I wouldn't change it.

CAG

[DucDave]

Hi Greg:

That One was built around 1980.( he built several longslides)
Clark barrel & Link. (if i remember correctly)
Wichita sights, extended beavertail
and lightened hammer.
squared and serrated trigger guard.
it is two slides welded together
and case hardened.
Quite a few internal mods as well.

It is an extraordinary shooter :biggrin :biggrin :biggrin .

Dad Was a Gunsmith for 45 years (died in 91)
knew em all, Clark (Sr & Jr), R Power, B Wilson
to name a few.

He was an American Pistolsmiths Guild member
until he told em where to go ( Dad was notorious for being cranky)
He was also picked as one of Americas top 100 pistolsmits by "Handgunner" magazine

Dad built rifles as we and had several in the custom section of
Gun Digest in the 50's.
He was one of the best.:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Also recently found out a photo of him is in the book
"Flags of our Fathers." There is a photo of
a bunch of marines on a landing craft with Mt Suribachi
in the distance.
Dad is the marine seen in profile.

(5th Marine Div. Fox Co) one of the first to land on Iwo

later, David

[Warp Racer]

One of the most powerful pistols I have ever fired was a friends single shot 30-06 chambered Thompson Contender. This thing was smoking holes straight through a scuba tank on a restricted range at 25 feet..beautiful grip, but still had a mean recoil.

this thing?

http://www.ssaa.org.au/newssaa/101-StoriesReviews/ammo/wildcats5.jpg

Sorry for not replying sooner Greg, yes it was basically the same design but had a longer barrel. The thing had a massive power factor with factory rounds, hence why it was on the restricted part of the shooting range. Not pleasant having factory jacket fragments coming back at you.

[spalding12]

If you must have an HK to carry, try the usp compact. Your Kimber ultra carry is a very nice carry gun, I wouldn't change it.

CAG

thanks for that advice
i appreciate it
and NOT replacing my kimber will save me money for other expenses :)

[spalding12]

Hi Greg:

That One was built around 1980.( he built several longslides)
Clark barrel & Link. (if i remember correctly)
Wichita sights, extended beavertail
and lightened hammer.
squared and serrated trigger guard.
it is two slides welded together
and case hardened.
Quite a few internal mods as well.

It is an extraordinary shooter :biggrin :biggrin :biggrin .

Dad Was a Gunsmith for 45 years (died in 91)
knew em all, Clark (Sr & Jr), R Power, B Wilson
to name a few.

He was an American Pistolsmiths Guild member
until he told em where to go ( Dad was notorious for being cranky)
He was also picked as one of Americas top 100 pistolsmits by "Handgunner" magazine

Dad built rifles as we and had several in the custom section of
Gun Digest in the 50's.
He was one of the best.:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Also recently found out a photo of him is in the book
"Flags of our Fathers." There is a photo of
a bunch of marines on a landing craft with Mt Suribachi
in the distance.
Dad is the marine seen in profile.

(5th Marine Div. Fox Co) one of the first to land on Iwo

later, David


david
please excuse my extreme tardiness in replying to your post.
i'm am so happy that you took the time to tell us more about your dad

what an incredible story this is.
what an amazing man he must have been (in many more ways than this thread describes, of course)

wow.....
it's as simple as that
i'd love to hear about and see pictures of more of the amazing guns he made in his life

thanks again for your awesome post

[spalding12]

Sorry for not replying sooner Greg, yes it was basically the same design but had a longer barrel. The thing had a massive power factor with factory rounds, hence why it was on the restricted part of the shooting range. Not pleasant having factory jacket fragments coming back at you.

not cool at all
but, it must have been a great RUSH to shoot

[cehoward1098s]

a few other things as well
some better off NOT mentioned here

what about you?

Dammmmnnnnnnnnn.....
:1

Coleman

[cehoward1098s]

Two of my mine.

My 45 longslide built by my father
and my model 41http://members.aol.com/trmap/pistolas.jpg

my shooting partner
she always goes to the range with me :biggrin http://members.aol.com/trmap/handsup.jpg
I also
shoot Competive Benchrest
and the Schuetzenfest at Raton, NM
( shes my Coach :Jiggy )

Later, David

Hey David, I saw the post where you said you knew Clark Sr. Cool man, I am from the old school too. Shooting almost three 2700 every month back in the old days.

Clark made about 3 pistols for me, one of them was a long slide too, and a reguler slide. Both of mine had the the Bo-Mar heavy rib and something else on too. He also, put together what I consider one of the first combat guns(when others were shooting revolvers for combat).

I had Clark put together a Colt Commander, accurized to shoot hard ball, but can handle wad cutters. Low profile rear site and a fast draw front. I use to carry that baby with loaded with 7.2 grains of Unique and a 185 grain bullet. When I stopped shooting I sold most of mine.

Right now, I only have 3 left, and still occasionally hit the range. Heavy Slide 1911, she still shoot tight, and my beloved Hi Standard Military. Use to have both barrels, lost one. I use to have a 41 too, 7 1/2 and 5 1/2.. More partial to the hi standard. I use to talk to Hensily and Gibbs, RCBS, and Starr over the phone in customizing my bullet molds and dies.

Here is my two sweethearts, and they still know how to sandbagged too!! :biggrin The Marines down at Quantico kept my 1911 shooting tight. I use to be there every weekend for matchs. Oh the old days!! :drool
http://users.erols.com/clbphoto/gun1.jpg

[spalding12]

this thread really is tremendous
i'm so happy that it's been so popular
learning about the folks here, and their kin really helps esblish and nourish the notion of "FAMILY" around here
and.... that makes me very happy

[cehoward1098s]

:badteeth this thread really is tremendous
i'm so happy that it's been so popular
learning about the folks here, and their kin really helps esblish and nourish the notion of "FAMILY" around here
and.... that makes me very happy

Cool, but I hope you don't pull me back into guns for my main hobby!! :biggrin Not enough time or money!! :biggrin

When I was shooting, I MADE everything I shot except for 22 rimfire. About twice a year I would ask the rangemaster at my local outdoor range could I dig up the pits, and would proceed and dig up all the spent bullets. Then I would visit the local scrap metal places and pick up linotype. Then I would melt down all the scrap bullets into ingots, and do the same with the linotype. When I cast the bullets, according to what gun I would vary the hardness of the bullets. Then about 4 times a year, I would have a casting party casting and reloading bullets to have enough to shoot all year. You shoot a lot when you banging 2700 point match 2 and 3 times a month.! :)

Since target shooting was my main love, I would cast thousands of 45 and 38 caliber wadcutters the most.
I would slug all my barrels and get RCBS to make sizing dies to match my specs.. Man, the more I write about this, the more I smell gunsmoke, and the smell of hot lead.:)

Two days ago, I went to the range with the 1911 and 22 target pistol. Trying to find standard velocity 22 rimfire ammo was quite a chore. Only guns stores carry that. Walmart and other places look at you like crazy if you asked them for standard velocity 22 rimfire cartridges.

After banging out some 22s, and I could still hold kinda close and all the ones out of the black at 25 yds, I could call before I looked through the spotting scope. On shooting my 1911, I only had 6 rounds left over, I squeeze the first one off at 25 yds, slow fire, I hit the x ring. I didn't shoot the rest I left on that good shot!! :badteeth 45 cal target rounds cost an arm and a leg. If I do any more shooting, I will have to start reloading again in some form or fashion.

Forgive the long drabble, I loved shooting just as much as I love sportbikes now, and you all bring up this subject. So, writing about it brings back many, many memories, plus I am trying to pass the time until my 1098 gets here...:badteeth :badteeth

[spalding12]

that is a great post
i appreciate the passion you have for shooting
and the description of the melt and cast of the slugs is very fascinating
i wish i could have been there to see all of that process

it's great to have you, and all of your passion... right here

[Warp Racer]

I used to shoot semi-regular with a mate of mine many years ago. He had a nice large frame .22 revolver with a 10" barrel. Wouldn't hit the broad side of a barn until you had put at least 50 odd rounds through the clean barrel, then you saw your groups gradually reduce to amazing accuracy at 25yards. Very fun pistol when your GONG shooting (old plow disc set 75 yards away and about 50 feet up a hill hanging off a heavy steel cable). You knew you had a hit when the disc 'gonged'. First person to miss buys the beers after the range is closed and everyone has packed up the artillery. :)

[CAG]

:badteeth

Cool, but I hope you don't pull me back into guns for my main hobby!! :biggrin Not enough time or money!! :biggrin

When I was shooting, I MADE everything I shot except for 22 rimfire. About twice a year I would ask the rangemaster at my local outdoor range could I dig up the pits, and would proceed and dig up all the spent bullets. Then I would visit the local scrap metal places and pick up linotype. Then I would melt down all the scrap bullets into ingots, and do the same with the linotype. When I cast the bullets, according to what gun I would vary the hardness of the bullets. Then about 4 times a year, I would have a casting party casting and reloading bullets to have enough to shoot all year. You shoot a lot when you banging 2700 point match 2 and 3 times a month.! :)

Since target shooting was my main love, I would cast thousands of 45 and 38 caliber wadcutters the most.
I would slug all my barrels and get RCBS to make sizing dies to match my specs.. Man, the more I write about this, the more I smell gunsmoke, and the smell of hot lead.:)

Two days ago, I went to the range with the 1911 and 22 target pistol. Trying to find standard velocity 22 rimfire ammo was quite a chore. Only guns stores carry that. Walmart and other places look at you like crazy if you asked them for standard velocity 22 rimfire cartridges.

After banging out some 22s, and I could still hold kinda close and all the ones out of the black at 25 yds, I could call before I looked through the spotting scope. On shooting my 1911, I only had 6 rounds left over, I squeeze the first one off at 25 yds, slow fire, I hit the x ring. I didn't shoot the rest I left on that good shot!! :badteeth 45 cal target rounds cost an arm and a leg. If I do any more shooting, I will have to start reloading again in some form or fashion.

Forgive the long drabble, I loved shooting just as much as I love sportbikes now, and you all bring up this subject. So, writing about it brings back many, many memories, plus I am trying to pass the time until my 1098 gets here...:badteeth :badteethIf you haven't checked recently, you will be shocked at the price of ammo. Everything, brass, copper, lead (not powder) has gone through the roof. I used to buy 230grain, brass jacketed ball ammo for around $120/1000. Now it's closer to $220/1000.
And .308 has to be the worst. Military surplus from Portugal, England or Austria was about $120/1000. I now pay $300/1000.

CAG

[jsdp]

:eek Wow, I can't believe there are so many gun owners here !!

I just bought 2 new SA 1911's, one traditional 5" barrel , and an Ultra Compact 3.5" barrel for carry. I can't wait to take them to the range :biggrin

[DucDave]

Hi Coleman:

I shoot at least once a month sometimes twice.
backed off form once or twice a week.

I only handload, again except 22. if you need good relatively
inexpensive 22 try SK or Wolf (same manufacture). you can mail order it from J&G or Bruno shooters supply. It runs about 380.00 a case (5000 rounds). its not bad ammo and is made in East
Germany and UPS will delever it to your door.

6.5 Unique behind a 185 semiwad works for me, (target load)

I Like the Highstandards as well. the old Hamdens were great
Guns. but i still prefer the 41 because it feels like the 45
and is well built. also like the BOMAR ribs have a new one sitting here that is going on an old Rand slide.

I havent shot a pistol match in a long time, just rimfire Benchrest, its more challenging than Centerfire BR (some might disagree but most CF guys cant handle the frustration of RF).
my RF group sizes run in the High .1's to mid .2's
at 50 and shoot sub .5 MIA at 100 yds frequently (but always
sub 1.0 MIA) with the 22
I usually cast wheelweights +tin. have an old Starr sizer
that is super (Bonanza and RCBS as Press).

Any Way, Nice Guns Shoot more often :biggrin :biggrin :biggrin


Later, David

[spalding12]

Hi Coleman:

I shoot at least once a month sometimes twice.
backed off form once or twice a week.

I only handload, again except 22. if you need good relatively
inexpensive 22 try SK or Wolf (same manufacture). you can mail order it from J&G or Bruno shooters supply. It runs about 380.00 a case (5000 rounds). its not bad ammo and is made in East
Germany and UPS will delever it to your door.

6.5 Unique behind a 185 semiwad works for me, (target load)

I Like the Highstandards as well. the old Hamdens were great
Guns. but i still prefer the 41 because it feels like the 45
and is well built. also like the BOMAR ribs have a new one sitting here that is going on an old Rand slide.

I havent shot a pistol match in a long time, just rimfire Benchrest, its more challenging than Centerfire BR (some might disagree but most CF guys cant handle the frustration of RF).
my RF group sizes run in the High .1's to mid .2's
at 50 and shoot sub .5 MIA at 100 yds frequently (but always
sub 1.0 MIA) with the 22
I usually cast wheelweights +tin. have an old Starr sizer
that is super (Bonanza and RCBS as Press).

Any Way, Nice Guns Shoot more often :biggrin :biggrin :biggrin


Later, David


very nice post.....
you must be an excellent shooter
nice to see so many folks here who collect, shoot, and appreciate firearms
this mention of EAST GERMANY

ummm
you DO know that the wall came down a long, long time ago, right :biggrin

[DucDave]

Hi Greg:
yea, but its still a viable geographic reference :biggrin :biggrin
and have several West German friends who still think that way:1poke

Later, David

[spalding12]

Hi Greg:
yea, but its still a viable geographic reference :biggrin :biggrin
and have several West German friends who still think that way:1poke

Later, David

i do as well...
i was just giving you a hard time :biggrin

[cehoward1098s]

If you haven't checked recently, you will be shocked at the price of ammo. Everything, brass, copper, lead (not powder) has gone through the roof. I used to buy 230grain, brass jacketed ball ammo for around $120/1000. Now it's closer to $220/1000.
And .308 has to be the worst. Military surplus from Portugal, England or Austria was about $120/1000. I now pay $300/1000.

CAG

Yeah, I can believe it. And the price of gun powder and primers most likely have gone up too. And don't talk about the restrictions and gun laws. Wow!!

It's much cheaper to read here and reminise about the old days than going out and trying it again. :biggrin

Plus, in order to shoot straight with a handgun, you gotta practice, practice, and practice, then shoot, shoot, study, shoot, dryfire, study, dryfire,etc..:biggrin !!

[cehoward1098s]

:eek Wow, I can't believe there are so many gun owners here !!

I just bought 2 new SA 1911's, one traditional 5" barrel , and an Ultra Compact 3.5" barrel for carry. I can't wait to take them to the range :biggrin

Dam man, I am a 1911 freak. You got me starry eyed!!

:1 :1 :1

[cehoward1098s]

Hi Coleman:

I shoot at least once a month sometimes twice.
backed off form once or twice a week.

I only handload, again except 22. if you need good relatively
inexpensive 22 try SK or Wolf (same manufacture). you can mail order it from J&G or Bruno shooters supply. It runs about 380.00 a case (5000 rounds). its not bad ammo and is made in East
Germany and UPS will delever it to your door.

6.5 Unique behind a 185 semiwad works for me, (target load)

I Like the Highstandards as well. the old Hamdens were great
Guns. but i still prefer the 41 because it feels like the 45
and is well built. also like the BOMAR ribs have a new one sitting here that is going on an old Rand slide.

I havent shot a pistol match in a long time, just rimfire Benchrest, its more challenging than Centerfire BR (some might disagree but most CF guys cant handle the frustration of RF).
my RF group sizes run in the High .1's to mid .2's
at 50 and shoot sub .5 MIA at 100 yds frequently (but always
sub 1.0 MIA) with the 22
I usually cast wheelweights +tin. have an old Starr sizer
that is super (Bonanza and RCBS as Press).

Any Way, Nice Guns Shoot more often :biggrin :biggrin :biggrin


Later, David

Man, it is nice to talk about guns again. :biggrin These dam bikes are running me into the poorhouse!!

On the 22s, at the matches all you saw was the 41 and the Hi Standard. Most of the military used the 41..The both equal, just a matter of preference.

All my old reloading stuff is gone. :( That stuff is un-replaceable. Starr sizer here too. That was a dream. So, was my lyman pot. Let me stop.. It's driving me crazy..

Your pop must be a hellva pistolsmith, to build you that long slide. 3.5 bullseye was my target load with the 185 WC, and that 7.2 unique was what I carried in the commander as a defense weapon. Never pulled in anger neither..

Another carry gun of mine that I use to carry was the Hi Standard 22 mag derringer.. I use to brag that this little baby pack more punch that the what the police were using then (round nose 38 special).

Lately this track bug done bit me, and there would be no time for shooting, I like to shoot good, and to shoot good takes time and practice..

Anyway, it was a treat to see your posts, and to mention Clark Sr.'s name. I also had 38 special made by Clark, I got that from Gil Hebard guns, that was ingraved with his name. Be worth a small fortune now.. Clark was in Shrevport, La then too.

Again, super great posts man!!!:1

Coleman

[No Quarter]

I notice a obvious preference for single action automatics.

I have to admit that they are my favorites (although I only have a couple)

Long live the .45 ACP.

[DucDave]

Hi Coleman:
Wow, Haven't Heard Gils name in a long time.
Mom & Dad and Mary & Gil were very Close friends.
Gil was an outstanding shot, he won the Camp Perry senior Championship from 1974 to 1978 (don't remember after that),
was in the 2600 club and one of the top shooters
in the US for many years. Last time I was back in Knoxville,Illinois. (79) Dad an I went to visit Gil.
Gil and i had a blast, seems Gil liked things that went boom
had a mess of M-80's. Gil an I spent some time chuckin em out the back door at the warehouse.:)

You are right about the time issue. Have a good friend who's been trying to get me into vintage racing (AHRMA).

Time and money is all it takes, both in short supply here:(
Hell who knows i could talk you into shooting and you could talk me in racing :1poke (shooting is cheeper!!)

Later, David


No Quarter: Amen to that. best gun ever built:badgerslayer


jsdp: good buy just practice a lot might as well throw rocks
if you cant hit what you are shooting at :biggrin :biggrin


David

[cehoward1098s]

I notice a obvious preference for single action automatics.

I have to admit that they are my favorites (although I only have a couple)

Long live the .45 ACP.

The U.S. Armed forces had the 1911 as it sidearm for 52 years. Don't think no other weapon could make a bold statement like that. The 9mm coming on, was give in to NATO. However, I see a lot of orgs coming back to the 1911, and everybody is making them.

The 1911 is dynasty that will live forever. :1

[cehoward1098s]

If you are in the market for a high end 1911. My business partner builds these. (Shameless plug for our website also)

www.p3llc.com (http://www.p3llc.com)

http://www.p3llc.com/images/Doubleguns2.jpg

They should run you outta here!! Shameless to tempt up 1911 lovers like this, pure shameful.

I can barely afford this sportbike addiction. Now, I am taking on the highly acclaim Ducati. And now you tease, tempt me with these beautiful 1911s!! Shame, shame..

Now, does your company give big SENIOR CITIZEN DISCOUNTS????:badteeth

Gotta check out your site too.. dam..Why couldn't I be rich instead of so good looking.:(

[CAG]

I'm sure we can work something out. (that's one of the advantages of knowing the owner) If you appreciate a nice 1911, you will be astounded by the fit and finish of these guns. I'm not claiming any of the credit, Christopher builds them not me.

By the way, which weapon has been in service the longest? I think it is the M2HB machine gun. Or, is it the 1911? I know the 1911 is older, but was it placed in service later?

CAG

[cehoward1098s]

Hi Coleman:
Wow, Haven't Heard Gils name in a long time.
Mom & Dad and Mary & Gil were very Close friends.
Gil was an outstanding shot, he won the Camp Perry senior Championship from 1974 to 1978 (don't remember after that),
was in the 2600 club and one of the top shooters
in the US for many years. Last time I was back in Knoxville,Illinois. (79) Dad an I went to visit Gil.
Gil and i had a blast, seems Gil liked things that went boom
had a mess of M-80's. Gil an I spent some time chuckin em out the back door at the warehouse.:)


I just called one of my old shooting buddies, I showed him how to reload and the whole 9 yards way back when. He got a Shockley, he purchased from Gil Hebard, in prime condition too. Think it has an extended front sight. The Gil Hebard catlog was like a dream book. Got my TC sizing die and a zillion other things from Gil.

Since my old shooting buddy doesn't ride motorcycles, I sneakly tried to talk him into setting up his reload gear again, and pump out some 45s. He is thinking about it. If he does, then I gotta start hitting at least 3 or 4 times a month at the range.

Some of my ride buddies play golf to relax. Might start back shooting for relaxation.. Not trying to go clean at 25 yards like I used too. Take too much practice to do that. Not enough time..I am a freak-of-nature to be pushing the sportbike fast at this late in the game, don't want to overload this gift!!!:biggrin

Just want to say, life is full of sweet different plearsures that everybody can't understand, and I am glad I got the eye and taste for them. :)

Coleman

[Rajin Cajun]

Hey Greg, Sorry so late but here is the Beretta Tactical Pckg I was talking about. It came with a teflon coated serrated knife, 2clips (1 - 10rnd, 1 - 11rnd) and a aluminum case along with the normal ABS plastic one and a gun lock, etc. I purchased it in 00'. I havent had any work done to it, I just wanted to leave this one stock. I also found the pics of the 45-70 gvt but I will have to scan them. I dont have them electronically.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7332/berettatacticalpckg005fv0.jpg

[spalding12]

nice gun, jason
thanks for the picture and description